IRC logs of #boinc for Saturday, 2012-11-10

00:06 <PovAddict> efc: http://distro.ibiblio.org/baslinux/

00:06 <Romulus> Title: BasicLinux (at distro.ibiblio.org)

00:06 <PovAddict> "Download is 2.8 megs and runs on 386 in 3 megs of Ram. That's what powers the OSULRC-1"

00:17 <efc> Saw that one, have not tried it yet.

00:17 <PovAddict> I think it's crazy anyway

00:18 <PovAddict> sell it to a museum, or demand the manufacturer to clean after itself

00:18 <PovAddict> (I wish electronics manufacturers were forced to take care of the garbage their planned obsolesence strategies produce)

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03:18 <mtrg> valer: nice (the credit to flops converion)

03:21 <mtrg> i'm surprised how hard it is to get a general arch design of grid computing in general

03:22 <mtrg> i couldn't even find a common list of generic elements that exist in all grid computing systems

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03:34 <mtrg> does BOINC follow OGSA (open grid services arch)

03:34 <mtrg> that was a question

04:03 <mtrg> #globus seems dead. wondering if the project is dead too

04:03 <mtrg> or semi-dead

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04:37 <Zumu> I see "boinc_client" has virtual memory 152G

04:37 <Zumu> https://nichevo.net/~dddh/snapshot5.png

04:37 <Zumu> <_<

04:39 <Zumu> interesting if it really needs it

04:39 <Zumu> more than twice my ram size

04:40 <mtrg> your ram size is about less than half of 152G?

04:40 <Zumu> mrtg: 64G

04:41 <mtrg> great, for what use?

04:41 <Zumu> I like numpy

04:41 <Zumu> and oracle db

04:45 <Zumu> more interested if boinc_client knows what to do with 152gb of ram

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05:14 <Caterpillar> lol

05:14 <Caterpillar> THE power

05:18 <Zumu> Caterpillar: power consumption?

05:18 <Caterpillar> no no

05:19 <Caterpillar> power like superman powers

05:26 <Zumu> :)

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06:14 <mtrg> is globus-tools a middleware

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08:20 <mtrg> is BOINC consider service-oriented like Globus?

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09:50 <mtrg> is BOINC considered service-oriented like Globus?

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10:34 <mtrg> thinking to give Globus Toolkit a try. wondering what do you guys think about it in comparision to BOINC?

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12:22 <PovAddict> never used it

12:24 <PovAddict> mtrg: BOINC doesn't follow OGSA/OGSI/JSDL or any similar bloated SOAP 'standard'

12:25 <PovAddict> and I won't answer ontological questions of where to categorize BOINC (middleware, service-oriented, or whatever) :P

12:26 <mtrg> k, next is probably what do you think about Globus Toolbox as opposed to BOINC

12:26 <PovAddict> never used it

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12:43 <mtrg> i feel Globus is pretty bloated

12:43 <mtrg> they even ship with their own certificate authority, called SimpleCA

12:44 <mtrg> does BOINC do similar stuff? shipping their own CA?

13:04 <PovAddict> no

13:05 <PovAddict> you can get your own if you want communication to happen over SSL, but that's just like with any website

13:05 <PovAddict> your own cert I mean, not CA :P

13:10 <mtrg> which platform was the 1st that did grid computing on the internet? wondering if BOINC is any of the earliests

13:11 <PovAddict> well no, it's easy to name an earlier one:

13:11 <PovAddict> pre-BOINC SETI@Home

13:11 <mtrg> isn't SETI@Home BOINC-based?

13:11 <PovAddict> now it is

13:12 <PovAddict> SETI@Home was launched in 1999

13:12 <mtrg> was it the 1st internet-based grid computing platform?

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13:13 <PovAddict> in 2002 the BOINC project started

13:13 <PovAddict> I don't see when SETI@Home started using BOINC, but it stopped using the old system in december 2005

13:13 <mtrg> yeah, found it at berkley.edu

13:14 <PovAddict> mtrg: apparently distributed.net came before SETI@Home

13:15 <PovAddict> hm, GIMPS even before that?

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17:02 <efc386> I understand that some disparaging remarks were made about the utility of 80386-based microcomputers...

17:07 <valer> lol

17:08 <efc> Need to get a mouse for that thing..

17:12 <valer> Zumu, maybe that's just leaked memory. :P

17:12 <efc386> IE 3.0, yes this will becompletey secure

17:13 <valer> There can't be any exploits for IE 3.0 alive any more, can there :)

17:14 <PovAddict> depends what sites you browse

17:16 <efc386> i think i can get IE 5 or 5.5 on here.. which would probably be much worse

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17:51 <valer> It would be nice if the projects told you beforehand how much processing power their work units need. It's disappointing to download work and then realize that the deadline is too soon.

17:53 <valer> Everyone's in such a hurry...

17:58 <valer> Better yet if you could define how much you are willing to contribute and then got a list of recommended projects.

18:04 <valer> I was looking for an alternative to SETI@home that "would actually find something" and Einstein@Home seems to be a considerably heavier app. :)

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18:21 <valer> I wonder what happens to the accumulated credit when a project closes.

18:23 <PovAddict> you can still show it off in stats-aggregating sites that have it cached

18:25 <valer> Okay

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22:29 <Zumu> valer ;)

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