IRC logs of #boinc for Friday, 2012-11-23

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17:50 <Mahmoud> hi

17:51 <Mahmoud> does BOINC have any information service that when queries tells us how many resources are available?

18:01 <whynot> Mahmoud: what resources?  on this particular system or in BOINC universe?

18:02 <Mahmoud> whynot: resources == donating computers

18:02 <whynot> Mahmoud: got it, yes and no

18:03 <Mahmoud> ?

18:03 <whynot> Mahmoud: (to my understanding) each project (at will) may display some estimation of current computing power

18:04 <whynot> some projects don't,

18:04 <whynot> as of queries, wait a sec

18:10 <Mahmoud> whynot, is there any nice guide for grid architictres?

18:14 <whynot> Mahmoud: as of queries, from reading of WebRPC spec -- no, that estimation is server-side only

18:15 <Mahmoud> did you look at other grids than BOINC?

18:15 <whynot> as of guide, idk, i'm client-side only, never run a project

18:15 <Mahmoud> and they all were like boinc? i.e. clients pull stuff?

18:16 <Mahmoud> did you see a project where the server was pushing? (intead of client pullinig)

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18:17 <whynot> i believe, in voluntary computation -- those are client-pull only

18:18 <whynot> as of involuntary (aka botnets) -- those are client-pull too

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18:18 <Mahmoud> botnets are illegal i assume, right?

18:20 <whynot> yup, however, some speculate there're those under state control

18:20 <whynot> that doesn't make them legal anyway

18:20 <whynot> however, i didn't run botnet too

18:20 <Mahmoud> yeah. just wanted to see if we  are talking about the same kind of botnets

18:20 <Mahmoud> what about push grids? what are they?

18:24 <Mahmoud> what i don't get is this: grid computing is about computers' resources over the internet.. so they have to be large anyway

18:25 <Mahmoud> but it seems that we have grids (they are called grids) that are not open to the internet but limited to smaller networks

18:26 <whynot> according to boinc.berkeley.edu home page: 269845 volunteers, 350975 systems, 7.479PetaFLOPS

18:27 <whynot> i can't say if that's large or not

18:27 <Mahmoud> that's really big.. about as fast as the 3rd best ranked supercomputer in top500

18:27 <Mahmoud> the 3rd best does 8.<something_small> petaflops

18:29 <whynot> those are either private or for hire

18:29 <whynot> i'm not saying it's bad, it's just different

18:29 <Mahmoud> why would a private grid be called grid?

18:30 <Mahmoud> as far as i know, grid's definition requires the heterogeneity

18:30 <whynot> that's architectural or marketing (may be both)

18:30 <Mahmoud> what == which one?

18:31 <whynot> idk i didn't ever cared, i've just speculated (aka blah-blah-blah)

18:32 <Mahmoud> so you just use grid computing as a vulanteer?

18:34 <whynot> i wouldn't say "use", i provide my resources for purpose i feel some connection with

18:36 <Mahmoud> you pay the electricity bill?

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18:38 <whynot> honestly -- no, because of place where equipment is located

18:38 <whynot> but i pay for internet and equipment is totally mine

18:39 <Mahmoud> do they agree to pay such electricity bill?

18:39 <Mahmoud> i mean, do they know that you are spending their electricity such way

18:39 <whynot> sure, i just don't have to right now

18:40 <whynot> yes and no, that's state owned facility, they don't care

18:40 <Mahmoud> lol

18:41 <whynot> however, once local biggest evar boss made a visit

18:41 <whynot> and asked wtf it's doing

18:42 <Mahmoud> for the electricity?

18:43 <whynot> no, there's a sorta problem wiht my equipment

18:43 <whynot> RAM on my server is with leds, you know, and no cases

18:43 <whynot> so, it's always blinks like crazy

18:45 <Mahmoud> anything to do with grid?

18:45 <whynot> what grid?

18:46 <Mahmoud> grid computing projects youre vulanteering to.

18:46 <whynot> sure, what else

18:46 <Mahmoud> you install BOINC on servers?

18:47 <whynot> sure, if equipment is mine, i see no problems with this

18:48 <whynot> btw, wait for yoyo[RKN]

18:48 <Mahmoud> what did he do?

18:48 <whynot> i believe, he's on the admin side of the pool

18:48 <Mahmoud> which pool?

18:49 <whynot> voluntary computing, of course, i've got to conclusion, he has some connection with that yoyo project

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18:49 <whynot> he may know better

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