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00:17 <PovAddict> moo efc
00:19 <efc> Moo
00:19 <efc> Getting GTX560 out of the box..
00:19 <efc> this is my first leafblower card
00:20 <PovAddict> lol
00:22 <PovAddict> efc: RomW and Tank_Master are testing fresh new BOINC support for OpenCL on Intel GPUs (Ivy Bridge)
00:25 <efc> I just got one. maybe they can crash on mine, once its going.
00:26 <efc> These cards should really take their own external power plug.
00:26 <RomW> lol
00:27 <PovAddict> efc: triple-phase?
00:28 <efc> sure, wouldn't want to trip the 240volt breaker
00:29 <PovAddict> efc: then you can also avoid the starter capacitor on the giant AC-powered fan motor! ;)
00:33 <efc> its nice not having PATA cables but the extra power to everything makes a bigger mess
01:01 <Tank_Master> 12/7/2012 9:54:48 PM | | INTEL GPU 0 (ignored by config): (version , 0MB, 0 GFLOPS peak)
01:01 <Tank_Master> latest test could do better :P
01:03 <efc> So this new doodad could use my otherwise idle integrated graphics?
01:03 <Tank_Master> depends on the mobo and your setup
01:04 <Tank_Master> on mine, the main desktop HAS to be the intel display otherwise nothing will detet the gpu
01:05 <Tank_Master> not even having it pluged in was enough
01:05 <efc> Ah.. I got an addon card. Still should be useful.
01:05 <Tank_Master> yeah, i got an addon as well
01:05 <Tank_Master> (2 actually)
01:05 <Tank_Master> would be nice if i didnt need a monitor pluged in to use the intel gpu
01:08 <Tank_Master> i still lol at
01:08 <Tank_Master> 12/7/2012 9:54:48 PM | | OpenCL: INTEL GPU 0: Intel(R) HD Graphics 4000 (driver version 126.96.36.19975, device version OpenCL 1.1, 1624MB, 1624MB available)
01:08 <Tank_Master> defently not detecting the dedicated memory
01:09 <Tank_Master> and whats also interesting is the max setting in the bios is 1gb
01:11 <RomW> Does the gpu caps viewer report the correct numbers?
01:12 <Tank_Master> gpucaps reports the same
01:12 <Tank_Master> 1.6gb
01:12 <Tank_Master> im assuming its just how the driver is reporting the avalible memory
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01:17 <RomW> sounds about right
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01:19 <RomW> I'll catch you all later, gonna catch some zzzz and pick it back up in the morning
01:19 <Tank_Master> gn
01:19 <RomW> night
01:19 <Tank_Master> ill poke here or in im when i get back from my morning thing
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06:38 <Caterpillar> WCG GPU calculus now also on Linux!!!!!!!
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13:54 <yoyo_> &wx sxf
13:54 <Romulus> yoyo_: Temperature: 25°F / -4°C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 30.18in / 1022hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h ; Clear. High:30 ° F.; Fog. Low:13 ° F.; Scattered Clouds. High:28 ° F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:21 ° F.; Chance of Snow. High:33 ° F.; Snow. Low:30 ° F.;
14:16 <desti> climate down?
14:17 <PovAddict> looking
14:17 <PovAddict> seems down
14:19 <desti> http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/top_hosts.php?sort_by=expavg_credit who teh fuu is that?
14:52 <PovAddict> desti: the Anonymous entry?
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16:16 <PovAddict> CPDN still down
16:41 <zombie67> hi pov
16:41 <zombie67> I see the latest version of boinc sees my intel HD 4000 GPU
16:42 <zombie67> so I guess rom got access to an ivy bridge machine?
16:42 <PovAddict> zombie67: afaik Charlie wrote the code blindly and Tank_Master tested it
16:42 <Tank_Master> i was up till 1AM last night testing them
16:43 <zombie67> sweet
16:43 <zombie67> now we just need slicker to build an app
16:43 <Tank_Master> now they are adding hooks into the server
16:43 <PovAddict> zombie67: the release has a few bugs (now fixed), such as reporting the Intel GPU as ATI :)
16:43 <Tank_Master> haha yeah
16:43 <Tank_Master> that was great
16:43 <PovAddict> 12/7/2012 6:53:54 PM | | OpenCL: ATI GPU 0: Intel(R) HD Graphics 4000 (driver version 188.8.131.5275, device version OpenCL 1.1, 1624MB, 1624MB available)
16:44 <zombie67> ?, did you have to add any intel OpenCL drivers?
16:44 <zombie67> to make BOINC see it?
16:44 <PovAddict> zombie67: apparently the Intel OpenCL driver only sees the GPU if you're using it as the main display
16:44 <Tank_Master> i just installed the intel GPU drier, which also installs the OpenCL SDK
16:44 <zombie67> but did you *have* to?
16:45 <Tank_Master> dunno, i didnt see the option to not to install the sdk
16:45 <Tank_Master> 12/8/2012 12:38:32 AM | | INTEL GPU 0: (OpenCL only) Intel(R) HD Graphics 4000 (version 184.108.40.20675, 1624MB, 1624MB available, 45 GFLOPS peak)
16:45 <Tank_Master> 12/8/2012 12:38:32 AM | | OpenCL: INTEL GPU 0: Intel(R) HD Graphics 4000 (driver version 220.127.116.1175, device version OpenCL 1.1, 1624MB, 1624MB available)
16:45 <zombie67> I installed the latest on a machine, and it saw it no problem. But I can't recall if I installed it or not.
16:46 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: that's from Rom's unreleased binaries, right?
16:46 <Tank_Master> only way i got it to work was to set the monitor hooked into the Intel GPU as the main disp;lay
16:46 <zombie67> I installed it on my macbook pro, but it does not see my HD 3000
16:46 <Tank_Master> yes, its unreleased
16:47 <Tank_Master> will be included in the code for the version update on monday
16:47 <zombie67> .40 on /dl sees OpenCL on my windows machines
16:47 <PovAddict> zombie67: do you know of any generic OpenCL testing software for Mac?
16:47 <Tank_Master> yeah, but not for intel
16:48 <PovAddict> like GPU Caps Viewer?
16:48 <zombie67> .40 sees my hd 4000 on my windows machines
16:48 <zombie67> pov, no, I am not familiar with OpenCL on mac at all.
16:49 <Tank_Master> how? the code for that wasnt added to .40
16:50 <zombie67> I can show you. hold on
16:50 <PovAddict> yes it was
16:50 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: the first thing you tested was unmodified 7.0.40 :P
16:50 <PovAddict> it's reporting as ATI and other garbage, but it works
16:51 <zombie67> nm, I'm an idiot
16:53 <zombie67> looking at wrong machine
16:53 <zombie67> 12/8/2012 6:51:21 AM | | Starting BOINC client version 7.0.40 for windows_x86_64
16:53 <zombie67> 12/8/2012 6:51:21 AM | | Processor: 8 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3770 CPU @ 3.40GHz [Family 6 Model 58 Stepping 9]
16:53 <zombie67> 12/8/2012 6:51:21 AM | | OpenCL: ATI GPU 0: Intel(R) HD Graphics 4000 (driver version 18.104.22.16867, device version OpenCL 1.1, 1624MB, 1624MB available)
16:54 <PovAddict> see, that works
16:57 <zombie67> I just sent slicker a message. He was going to build an app for collate, but wasn't willing to spend the time until I could get boinc to see the HD 4000
16:57 <zombie67> tank_master, will it also see the HD 3000?
16:59 <zombie67> also, you mentioned that you had to have the monitor attached to the HD 4000 GPU. Does that mean using the connector on the mono instead? Will a dummy plug work?
17:00 <Tank_Master> it will see whatever the intel driver supplies
17:00 <Tank_Master> a dunny wouldnt work becaue then you wont see the windows that open up on the main screen
17:00 <zombie67> I VPN into my machines
17:01 <zombie67> no monitors at all
17:01 <Tank_Master> i dont know what will happen in that instance
17:01 <Tank_Master> its not enough to just have a monitor pluged into it
17:01 <Tank_Master> its got to be the mina display
17:01 <zombie67> what windows do I need to be seeing?
17:02 <Tank_Master> boinc?
17:02 <Romulus> It has been said that boinc is designed for high throughput, not low latency, Tank_Master
17:02 <Tank_Master> forget boinc
17:02 <Romulus> 10-4.
17:03 <zombie67> SB is hd 3000, right?
17:03 <Tank_Master> yes
17:03 <zombie67> my macbook pro has HD 3000 and a Radeon HD 6750M.
17:03 <Tank_Master> 2000/3000 for SB
17:04 <zombie67> maybe I can get them both crunching.
17:04 <Tank_Master> 2500/4000 for IB
17:04 <Tank_Master> pokes RomW
17:05 <PovAddict> zombie67: with the messages you're getting, you should be good to go
17:05 <Tank_Master> the server will needs updating to handle the messages requesting work for intel
17:08 <zombie67> I'll let slicker know
17:08 <Tank_Master> rom sent off my logs to someone else to add the server support
17:09 <Tank_Master> but theres more work to be done on both
17:10 <zombie67> sure
17:10 <Tank_Master> id say its still to early to get slicker involved
17:11 <zombie67> the app needs to be built, and that can be done without server support
17:13 <RomW> It turns out David had written some of the needed server side stuff awhile back
17:13 <RomW> I ended up breaking the server build last night
17:13 <RomW> :)
17:13 <RomW> I think David fixed that
17:13 <Tank_Master> lol
17:14 <RomW> As well as made a couple other tweaks to the Intel detection code on the client
17:14 <RomW> I'm posting a new private drop
17:14 <zombie67> sweet
17:15 <Tank_Master> file not found
17:16 <Tank_Master> are they still uploading?
17:16 <RomW> Shouldn't be
17:16 <RomW> All my machines are local
17:16 <RomW> 1GB ethernet
17:16 <zombie67> I tried it too. not found
17:17 <RomW> hmmmm
17:17 <zombie67> nmet? that is right?
17:17 <RomW> www.romwnet.org
17:17 <RomW> oh
17:17 <RomW> lol
17:17 <RomW> my typo
17:19 <zombie67> I'm really excited about this. There is a lot of idle resources out there, and growing.
17:20 <RomW> Well, I think we are going to have to get more info from Intel though
17:20 <Tank_Master> 12/8/2012 2:19:57 PM | | INTEL GPU 0: (OpenCL only) Intel(R) HD Graphics 4000 (version 22.214.171.12475, 1624MB, 1624MB available, 45 GFLOPS peak)
17:20 <zombie67> oh?
17:20 <Romulus> hmm... oh are you actually there during the eq, zombie67
17:20 <Tank_Master> 12/8/2012 2:19:57 PM | | OpenCL: INTEL GPU 0: Intel(R) HD Graphics 4000 (driver version 126.96.36.19975, device version OpenCL 1.1, 1624MB, 1624MB available)
17:20 <RomW> 45GFLOPs peak for an HD4000 seems kinda light to me
17:20 <Tank_Master> forget oh
17:20 <Romulus> Gotcha!
17:21 <Tank_Master> well, thats at 350Hz, its real speed is over a GHz i think
17:21 <zombie67> is that 45gflops actual performance? or claculated?
17:21 <RomW> calculated based on what OpenCL reports to us
17:22 <RomW> But there are two features Intel uses to adjust clock rates for extending battery life, we cannot get that info from OpenCL
17:22 <zombie67> ah. Yeah, it is probably under-reporting. On my AMD cards, they down-clock when no under load.
17:22 <zombie67> maybe intel does the same?
17:23 <Tank_Master> nvidia downcloads on low or no load as well
17:23 <Tank_Master> yes
17:23 <RomW> yup
17:23 <zombie67> so maybe a multiplier needs to be added to the calc?
17:23 <Tank_Master> only workaround i can think of is to laod the gpu, then ask for its speed
17:26 <zombie67> but aside from the underreporting of the GPU performance, any other issue?
17:26 <Tank_Master> amount of memory openCL reports is funny
17:26 <Tank_Master> 1.6GB
17:26 <Tank_Master> for the intel gpu
17:27 <zombie67> anything that actually prevents work? Or causes data corruption?
17:27 <Tank_Master> how would we know?
17:27 <Tank_Master> :P
17:27 <Tank_Master> this hasnt been tested yet
17:28 <zombie67> Heh. I thought you were running dummy tasks or something
17:28 <Tank_Master> no
17:28 <Tank_Master> just testing if it was reporting right and asking for work
17:28 <Tank_Master> reporting the intel GU info that is
17:29 <zombie67> got it
17:29 <Tank_Master> 12/8/2012 2:20:12 PM | orbit@home | [sched_op] CPU work request: 255265.60 seconds; 0.00 devices
17:29 <Tank_Master> 12/8/2012 2:20:12 PM | orbit@home | [sched_op] NVIDIA work request: 35906.23 seconds; 0.00 devices
17:29 <Tank_Master> 12/8/2012 2:20:12 PM | orbit@home | [sched_op] ATI work request: 50351.27 seconds; 0.00 devices
17:29 <Tank_Master> 12/8/2012 2:20:12 PM | orbit@home | [sched_op] INTEL work request: 86580.00 seconds; 0.05 devices
17:29 <Tank_Master> thats the other part that was added last night
17:30 <zombie67> this is so cool
17:37 <PovAddict> RomW: 45 GFLOPS is the fallback if it fails to calculate the real thing
17:38 <PovAddict> RomW: peak_flops = (x>0)?x:45e9
17:42 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: do you get any clGetDeviceInfo warning?
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17:44 <PovAddict> hmm no
17:44 <PovAddict> if you did, BOINC would skip that device
17:48 <RomW> @Pov, if you run through the calulations manually you get the same value when clock rate is 350Mhz and execution units is 16 i believe
17:49 <PovAddict> hmm yes
17:50 <PovAddict> 44.8
17:51 <PovAddict> but 350MHz doesn't sound right at all
17:51 <RomW> It is what OpenCL is reporting
17:57 <Tank_Master> not that i recall, pov
17:57 <Tank_Master> 350 is the speed its at when idle
17:58 <Tank_Master> so for soem reason the intel gpu is reporting the actual speed and not the peak speed
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18:26 <zombie67> according to this, desktop chip is 650-1150.
18:27 <zombie67> it lists mobile as 350-1300
18:27 <PovAddict> flops or clock rate?
18:27 <zombie67> clock
18:27 <PovAddict> well Intel is Doing It Wrong if it reports 350
18:28 <PovAddict> the information is called CL_DEVICE_MAX_CLOCK_FREQUENCY
18:28 <zombie67> maybe the table on the wiki page is backwards?
18:28 <PovAddict> so it should be reporting 1150 or 1300
18:28 <zombie67> yeah
18:30 <zombie67> according to the formula in the footnotes, the HD 4000 desktop should be about 147 gflops
18:31 <PovAddict> zombie67: BOINC's formula is max_compute_units * 8 * max_clock_frequency * 10^6
18:32 <zombie67> wiki page forumula: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Intel_graphics_processing_units#Seventh_generation
18:32 <zombie67> whoops
18:33 <zombie67> The raw performance of integrated GPU, in single-precision FLOPS, can be calculated as follows: EU * 4 [dual-issue x 2 SP] * 2 [multiply + accumulate] * clock speed. For example, the HD Graphics 3000 is rated at 125 GFLOPS, which is consistent with the formula (12 * 4 * 2 * 1,300 MHz).
18:33 <PovAddict> oh
18:33 <zombie67> HD 4000 has 16 EU
18:33 <PovAddict> a code comment quotes that actually
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18:35 <PovAddict> so BOINC is assuming [dual-issue x 2 SP] and [multiply + accumulate] are 1
18:36 <zombie67> so the HD 4000 ~ the same as the Radeon HD 6450M, using the same formula
18:36 <Tank_Master> not to bad...
18:45 <zombie67> it is odd that the mobile chip has a higher clock for the GPU. That has to be backwards, right?
18:45 <Tank_Master> nope
18:45 <Tank_Master> cus its more expected for desktops to have descreet GPUs
18:46 <PovAddict> discrete*
18:46 <PovAddict> zombie67: not necessarily; perhaps using a smaller manufacturing process (needed to reduce power) lets them get away with a higher clock without burning up
18:47 <Tank_Master> laptops are typically designed more for power effecency, so using the ondie GPU is perfered, even it it's varent uses more power, for it would be less power than a discrete gpu
18:47 <zombie67> but mobile has bigger problems with heat and battery life
18:47 <zombie67> hm
18:47 <PovAddict> simple
18:47 <PovAddict> find Intel-official info and fix wikipedia :)
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18:48 <zombie67> finding info on intel's site is impossible sometimes
18:48 <zombie67> but I will look
18:48 <PovAddict> perhaps the cited links on wikipedia are a good start
18:52 <PovAddict> zombie67:
18:52 <PovAddict> <efc> Getting GTX560 out of the box..
18:52 <PovAddict> <efc> this is my first leafblower card
18:53 <Romulus> Title: ARK | Compare Intel Products (at ark.intel.com)
18:53 <zombie67> that is a mobile and desktop. Both list the same GPU clock
18:53 <zombie67> Graphics Base Frequency650 MHz650 MHz
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20:42 <efc> Re-yo
20:42 <efc> Still installing drivers on this thing..
20:52 <efc> 120gig my SSD is about 70% full with just windows..
20:55 <desti> fail
21:34 <Tank_Master> youre doing it wrong
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22:59 <zombie67> again
22:59 <PovAddict> ?
23:08 <zombie67> just making a follow on joke to TMs comment
23:15 * efc downloads a modern BOINC.. slooooowly
23:17 <PovAddict> are you still in the dark ages of internet?
23:18 <efc> Please wait while I download your latest IRC message.
23:19 <efc> In other news, a friend leaving the country needed to get rid of old computing stuff, so he sent me a box full of parts. Soon, my numbers will grow again.
23:20 <efc> And thats not counting the total of seven (7) 386s here.
23:20 <zombie67> next you tell me about how you crunch over ham radio
23:43 <efc> I've considered it for various reasons.. max speed allowed is 19.2kpbs, maybe less on some bands
23:54 <zombie67> heh
23:54 <zombie67> next is sneakernet
23:57 <PovAddict> zombie67: don't underestimate the throughput of a truck loaded with tapes driving through a highway!
23:57 <zombie67> yeah, someone did a comparison about 5 years ago
23:57 <PovAddict> I read that Amazon S3 supports sneakernet for initial data loads
23:58 <zombie67> netflix (at the time) had more bandwidth with DVDs in the email than anything else
23:58 <PovAddict> you can ship disks (or an entire NAS server) to Amazon and have them load the data into the S3 network
23:59 <zombie67> interesting, but even then, it has to transfer that over sas or ethernet or infiniband or something
23:59 <PovAddict> of course