IRC logs of #boinc for Sunday, 2012-12-09

00:00 <PovAddict> but when you have to load a couple terabytes and you don't want to do it over the public internet...

00:00 <zombie67> true dat]

00:00 <zombie67> but then you have to rely on a company's own security

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00:00 <zombie67> and resistance to government

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00:01 <PovAddict> if you're using S3 you're already relying on that, aren't you? :)

00:02 <zombie67> yeah

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00:26 <SuperEFC> Will have to look into a way to control these case fans.. they run 100% all the time right now.

00:27 <SuperEFC> everything is pretty cool right now.. Running IRC

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00:42 <efc> 80 watts idle

00:43 <efc> the boinc download servers aren't cooperating

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01:35 <Zumu> efc: how do you measure power consumption?

01:38 <PovAddict> kill-a-watt maybe?

01:42 <efc> Yes

01:44 <Zumu> you have some sensors in your power supply?

01:52 <efc> I have a couple of kill-a-watt meters, you plug stuff into them, they tell you watts, accumulated kW*Hr, etc

01:52 <efc> nice toy, about $20

01:53 <efc> Would be nice if the PS could tell you the same stuff directly, but don't know of one that does

01:53 <Tank_Master> i had one that did a while back

01:54 <Tank_Master> had a fan controller that fit into a 5.25" slot, and also had a watt readout on it

01:54 <PovAddict> heh

01:54 <PovAddict> on my computer I fan't even monitor or control the case fans :P

01:54 <PovAddict> can't*

01:55 <efc> Could use a fan controller, these just run 100%, by far the loudest thing in the case. Haven't needed them so far.

01:56 <PovAddict> except for the CPU fan, all of my fans are connected to the power directly, not going through the mobo

01:57 <PovAddict> so there's no way to monitor or control them

01:57 <efc> My MB has 4 pin headers (4th is speed control) but the case fans are 3 pin

01:57 <Zumu> efc: I wish I had such kill-a-watt meter too ;(

01:58 <PovAddict> I thought you only needed 3 pins

01:58 <efc> they will run with the 3 pins, but no speed control

01:59 <PovAddict> ground, power (regulated to vary speed), and the third pin for the fan to report its real speed

01:59 <efc> 4th is PWM for control

02:00 <PovAddict> why can't it do pwm on the fan's power?

02:00 <efc> I should donate some 386s to be file servers for Berkely.

02:00 <efc> I dunno.

02:03 <efc> its possible some fans wouldn't work with it

02:03 <efc> simple ones work better with voltage control

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02:30 <efc> it should be possible to make a small board that would use the PWM to vary voltage. Somebody probably makes it.

03:00 <efc> wish i could control the file download order some.. its silly to download 30 WU's before the project files to run them :/

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06:10 <vjacob> hiya. if I am sending for example 'milkyway' tasks back before deadline, but they are still resulting in 'validate error' being shown in my tasks overview, what are typical factors causing this?

06:12 <vjacob> &whatis platform_list

06:12 <Romulus> vjacob: "platform_list" could be http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php

06:13 <vjacob> i'm using the latest versions, i've had no computer problems as of late, and the install is recent

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06:21 <vjacob> oh well. maybe it was that older linux client. it did seem to compute a wee bit to snappy.

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08:53 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

08:53 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 32.9F / 0.5C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.89in / 1012hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Sunday - Overcast with snow. Fog early. High of 41F. Winds from the SSW at 5 to 20 mph with gusts to 30 mph shifting to the WNW in the afternoon. Chance of snow 70%.; Sunday Night - Overcast in the evening, then partly cloudy. Low (1 more message)

08:53 <wdsmia> &more

08:53 <Romulus> wdsmia: of 14F with a windchill as low as 5F. Breezy. Winds from the NW at 20 to 25 mph with gusts to 30 mph.; Monday - Clear. High of 27F with a windchill as low as 1F. Breezy. Winds from the NW at 10 to 20 mph.;

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14:36 <PovAddict> perfect!

14:36 <PovAddict> I just configured my system to suspend BOINC when I have a power outage and my UPS switches to batteries

14:40 <PovAddict> it increases the battery life like 30%

14:41 <PovAddict> hmm wait, battery life seems not to be linear with the power load

14:42 <PovAddict> looking at the TIMELEFT estimate, stopping BOINC actually *doubles* how long I can stay on batteries

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14:56 <PovAddict> RomW: some people tried 7.0.40 and posted to the mailing lists about the Intel detection

14:56 <Tank_Master> thats the old version

14:56 <PovAddict> RomW: I replied, but maybe you can clarify what the state of that really is

14:57 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: it's the last they have access to, there is no .41 binary :)

14:57 <Tank_Master> i know

14:57 <Tank_Master> i need to figure out how to switch from a digrest to the single message mode...

14:58 <RomW> I'll have a new build out tomorrow

14:58 <RomW> No biggie

14:59 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: go to http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/options/boinc_alpha, login, flip the "Set Digest Mode" option, submit changes

14:59 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/cnqumue> (at lists.ssl.berkeley.edu)

15:00 <Tank_Master> thx

15:12 <Tank_Master> btw, RomW, zlib 1.2.7 is out now

15:46 <RomW> Thanks to you both for responding in BOINC Alpha

15:51 <RomW> @TM, I'll have to pick up that update with the rest of the depends next time I go through a full update for the depends.

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16:24 <efc> My video card has a slight fan rattle.. might get to try out your integrated doodad after all.

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20:10 <desti> http://i.imgur.com/YbZLh.jpg

20:42 <ChristmasCoder> December t-storm

21:56 <efc> moo

22:13 <efc> my CUDA card should on line soon, after downloading most of the weekend

22:14 <Tank_Master> nice

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22:33 <efc> That card is a snowblower, but its fast.

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22:44 <efc> 225 watts at the wall

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22:47 <efc> http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=6851060

22:47 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/cn2nada> (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)

23:15 <Zumu> efc: that is i5 !

23:15 <Zumu> not i386

23:18 <PovAddict> lol

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23:39 <efc> My i386 could never finish the benchmarks :(

23:39 <Tank_Master> oh?

23:39 <efc> 13 hours

23:39 <Tank_Master> lol, 13h for just the benchmark?

23:40 <efc> yeah, i gave up after that

23:40 <efc> that machine is maybe 40% slower than it should be, something wrong with the memory

23:40 <Tank_Master> oucg

23:40 <Tank_Master> well, that is old tech

23:41 <efc> It won't be my last foray into BOINCing on 386s.

23:41 <Tank_Master> i think ive once seen a 286 in my life

23:42 <efc> other than being slow, the 386 is very capable, can address 4 gigs, has MMU etc

23:43 <Tank_Master> isnt the 386 a 16bit processor?

23:43 <PovAddict> no

23:43 <Tank_Master> it was 32bit?

23:43 <PovAddict> the 80286 was 16-bit

23:43 <Tank_Master> ah

23:45 <PovAddict> the 80386 was 32-bit

23:46 <PovAddict> the i486 notably added an in-chip FPU

23:46 <efc> 286 is 16 bit, can address 16 megs though in protected mode (not used much)

23:47 <efc> the 386 floating point is pretty painful, like 8 clocks for the 386/387 to chat about each instruction

23:47 <efc> so the 486 was a big step up

23:48 <PovAddict> heh

23:48 <PovAddict> there was also a 486 in a 386-compatible package

23:48 <efc> FastCAD or similar

23:49 <PovAddict> which came with a dummy chip in a 387-compatible package, which did nothing more than signal the presence of a FPU

23:50 <efc> when i had 95 running on it, the openGL screensavers might get 1 or 2 fps with the copro in

23:50 <efc> w/o it, its more like 1 frame a minute

23:51 <PovAddict> eh

23:51 <PovAddict> I once tried a modern OpenGL benchmark on my GeForce 4 and it had a similar framerate

23:51 <PovAddict> :D

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23:55 <efc> I wish it was possible (within reason) to emulate a 486, trap the 1 in a billion unsupported instructions and emulate

23:55 <efc> so it could run NT 4.0

23:56 <PovAddict> you mean emulate a 486 in a 386?

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23:58 <efc> Yes

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