IRC logs of #boinc for Saturday, 2012-12-29

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04:03 <imperfec1-> Anone around able to tell me how I get my 'key' for seti@home to use boinc under ubuntu?

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08:03 <desti_T2> imperfec1-, it's on the projects webpage in your profile

08:04 <desti_T2> and you can use your keyword in boincmgr too

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21:39 <imperfec1-> Anyone here able to explain how to attach a project under centos?

21:39 <imperfec1-> I can't find the authentication key it wants

21:39 <MTughan> imperfec1-: How are you trying to attach the project?

21:39 <imperfec1-> And it's not on my account page -- at least in any way that says 'THIS IS YOUR KEY'

21:39 <imperfec1-> MTughan: through the manager gui

21:39 <imperfec1-> whgen I start the client it say

21:39 <imperfec1-> s

21:40 <imperfec1-> "BOINC client requires initialization  (no projects attached)

21:40 <imperfec1-> so I start the client

21:40 <imperfec1-> launch the manager

21:40 <imperfec1-> it tries to get the status and errors out

21:40 <MTughan> So the manager's not connecting to the core client?

21:40 <imperfec1-> correct

21:41 <MTughan> Do you know where your data directory for the core client is?

21:41 <PovAddict> argh

21:41 <PovAddict> imperfec1-: how are you starting the client?

21:41 <imperfec1-> service boinc-clien stat

21:41 <imperfec1-> s/stat/start/

21:42 <imperfec1-> I tried this with ubuntu first

21:42 <PovAddict> ok, good

21:42 <imperfec1-> and it was a nightmare and never worked

21:42 <imperfec1-> so I was going to reinstall with centos

21:42 <imperfec1-> This is a 5 year old 8 core HP DL360 server

21:42 <imperfec1-> w/ 32 gig of ram I want to devote all the cpus to seti and the world community projects

21:44 <imperfec1-> that's all I wanna do =)

21:46 <imperfec1-> Yeah it just says 'Retrieving current status' followed by an error

21:46 <MTughan> How are you starting the manager?

21:46 <imperfec1-> Via the menu item that was installed when I isntalled the manager.

21:46 <MTughan> Guess that doesn't quite do what it should.

21:47 <imperfec1-> How would I launch it from the command line?

21:47 <MTughan> The authentication key is inside a file called gui_rpc_auth.cfg in the data directory of the core client, if you know where that is.

21:47 <MTughan> Probably somewhere in /var, IIRC.

21:47 <imperfec1-> MTughan: So it's something I provide seti so they knows it's me, not something that seti assigns me

21:47 <imperfec1-> MTughan: That's a core thing I wasn't clear about

21:47 <MTughan> Once you have that and you've connected to the core client, then you should just need a username and password, the same one you use to log into the website.

21:48 <imperfec1-> let me run updatedb and look

21:48 <MTughan> No, not quite. The core client and the manager are separate programs. They communicate using network sockets.

21:48 <imperfec1-> Giot it

21:48 <imperfec1-> So now I could attach using boinc from the command line

21:48 <MTughan> But the core client requires authentication to be able to connect. This authentication key is purely within your machine, it doesn't go to SETI.

21:48 <PovAddict> you could...

21:49 <PovAddict> but if you can't get boincmgr to connect to the client, you won't easily succeed with boinccmd either

21:49 <imperfec1-> MTughan: when you're attaching from the client it asks for 'URL' and 'KEY'

21:49 <imperfec1-> as options required

21:49 <PovAddict> imperfec1-: with what command?

21:49 <MTughan> If you try to connect from the client itself. There's a command program called boinccmd which you should be using instead.

21:49 <imperfec1-> This is the same problem I was having with ubuntu

21:50 <MTughan> Consider "boinc" as a daemon, you don't touch it, despite the fact that it has command line options.

21:50 <PovAddict> if you're looking at "boinc --attach_project"... that's wrong

21:50 <PovAddict> you'd be starting another client daemon

21:50 <MTughan> You connect to it using either the manager or the boinccmd program.

21:50 <imperfec1-> Let me gist this for you

21:50 <PovAddict> and if you do, it will litter your current directory with its internal state files

21:51 <PovAddict> MTughan: I don't know why distros don't put the daemon into sbin

21:51 <MTughan> PovAddict: Probably not considered important enough.

21:51 <imperfec1-> https://gist.github.com/4410712

21:51 <Romulus> Title: gist:4410712 (at gist.github.com)

21:51 <imperfec1-> PovAddict: Yeah it does litter, for sure

21:52 <PovAddict> imperfec1-: that's because you're not supposed to run 'boinc', ever

21:52 <imperfec1-> PovAddict: i thought it was for debugging -- which is what I'm doing ;)

21:52 <MTughan> imperfec1-: That started another daemon process, that's why. Using the current directory as its data directory.

21:52 <PovAddict> no, it *is* the daemon

21:53 <imperfec1-> So okay.

21:53 <imperfec1-> From having the client running

21:53 <imperfec1-> I should just have the mgr running tha tshould connect to the client

21:53 <imperfec1-> poplate my projects and allow me to attach, right?

21:53 <PovAddict> the client starts (properly, in the correct user account and directory, etc) when you run "service boinc-client start"

21:54 <MTughan> Well, you should be able to attach projects to the core client through the manager, yes.

21:54 <imperfec1-> Hrm

21:54 <imperfec1-> Same behavior from both ubuntu and centos

21:54 <PovAddict> is there a boinc log in /var/log?

21:54 <imperfec1-> make sme sad

21:54 <PovAddict> I mean apart from all the stuff you just created by running the client manually there

21:54 <imperfec1-> I've got all my mac's and my windows PC all running this w/o issue

21:54 <imperfec1-> I deleted it

21:55 <imperfec1-> no problems

21:55 <imperfec1-> wont do it again

21:55 <MTughan> This is just a packaging issue by CentOS or whoever made the package.

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21:55 <MTughan> The manager should have its current directory set to the same directory as the core client. Then it'll find the file and automatically connect.

21:55 <PovAddict> MTughan: some distros screw up gui_rpc_auth.cfg permissions too

21:55 <PovAddict> MTughan: can't win

21:56 <PovAddict> imperfec1-: do you have a /var/lib/boinc or /var/lib/boinc-client?

21:56 <imperfec1-> PovAddict: I do.

21:56 <imperfec1-> it /var/lib/boinc

21:56 <imperfec1-> boinccmd --project_attach http://setiathome.berkeley.edu 319b7ae277bb7ddadcb7cfe4d90e49d4

21:57 <Romulus> Title: SETI@home (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)

21:57 <imperfec1-> Authorization failure: -155

21:57 <PovAddict> you know anyone can login to your account now?

21:57 <MTughan> cd into that directory and try running the boinccmd again, or boincmgr.

21:57 <imperfec1-> PovAddict: I don't mind. AS long as they're doing the work ;)

21:57 <imperfec1-> MTughan: Okay

21:57 <MTughan> imperfec1-: You're thinking of the weak account key. If that's your account key, it's as good as a password.

21:57 <PovAddict> running boinccmd while the cwd is /var/lib/boinc should work

21:57 <imperfec1-> MTughan: worked that time. no error

21:58 <MTughan> imperfec1-: Try running boincmgr from that directory. Manager should start up and connect, and you should see that SETI is attached.

21:58 <imperfec1-> Looks like it's attached but the boinc-gr still isn't able to get the status

21:59 <PovAddict> run boincmgr from the console, while in /var/lib/boinc

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21:59 <PovAddict> *not* as root, of course

22:01 <imperfec1-> still got the erros

22:01 <imperfec1-> but seti at home is now showing

22:02 <MTughan> PovAddict: Permissions? :P

22:02 <PovAddict> erm, did you run boinccmd as root?

22:02 <imperfec1-> yessir

22:02 <imperfec1-> i'm root

22:02 <imperfec1-> actually

22:02 <PovAddict> doooon't run shit as root

22:02 <wdsmia> asks PovAddict to please watch his or her languageĀ… Thanks, your friendly channel op.

22:02 <imperfec1-> the error changes

22:02 <imperfec1-> 'No work available to process'

22:02 <MTughan> Especially since BOINC downloads programs from the web to run. You don't want them running as root.

22:03 <MTughan> And the BOINC software isn't the greatest security-wise.

22:03 <PovAddict> MTughan: in this case the client is running in its proper sandboxed directory already

22:03 <MTughan> Assuming it's a recent version of BOINC.

22:03 <PovAddict> MTughan: but running things like boinccmd or boincmgr as root could screw up the permissions (creating root-owned files that the client then can't access)

22:04 <imperfec1-> PovAddict: I happened to be in /varlog at the log

22:04 <imperfec1-> er time

22:05 <imperfec1-> PovAddict: Dont think it's an issue

22:05 <PovAddict> the time that boinccmd worked

22:05 <PovAddict> in what directory and user was it?

22:07 <imperfec1-> /var/lib/boinc

22:07 <imperfec1-> with all the voice owned files

22:08 <imperfec1-> s/voice/boince/

22:08 <imperfec1-> s/boince/boinc/

22:09 <PovAddict> and was it as root?

22:09 <imperfec1-> No

22:10 <PovAddict> hm

22:10 <PovAddict> boincmgr should work then

22:10 <imperfec1-> The files are all owned by boinc.boince

22:10 <imperfec1-> I checked

22:10 <imperfec1-> Well

22:10 <imperfec1-> Now it's saying I dont have any work to do for seti@home

22:10 <PovAddict> ah

22:11 <PovAddict> well

22:11 <PovAddict> get the hell out of that stupid GUI by going to View -> Advanced View

22:11 <imperfec1-> Very well

22:11 <imperfec1-> No transfers are running

22:12 <PovAddict> oh yes, the boinc developers keep hiding information

22:12 <PovAddict> advanced -> Event Log

22:13 <imperfec1-> all_projects_list.xml

22:13 <imperfec1-> Ok

22:13 <imperfec1-> let me look

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22:14 <imperfec1-> that file is fully populated like I would expect

22:14 <MTughan> Considering SETI has 330,000 WUs ready to send, that does seem somewhat suspicious.

22:14 <PovAddict> do you see information about communication with SETI?

22:14 <PovAddict> in the event log

22:14 <imperfec1-> If I'm not supposed to be running this stuff as root, what should I be running with

22:14 <MTughan> Your user.

22:14 <PovAddict> all GUI apps should be running in your normal user account, other way lies madness

22:14 <MTughan> Only thing that needs root is the service command to start it.

22:15 <imperfec1-> I dont see an an event log

22:16 <PovAddict> hum

22:16 <imperfec1-> Nothing under messages

22:16 <imperfec1-> just not called event log

22:16 <PovAddict> do you have a Messages tab?

22:16 <imperfec1-> Yeah I do, it's emptu

22:16 <imperfec1-> That's what I was trying to say

22:17 <PovAddict> empty? :/

22:17 <PovAddict> anything in the Projects tab?

22:17 <MTughan> imperfec1-: Take the contents of the /var/lib/boinc/gui_rpc_auth.cfg file and use that as the password to connect to the core client. Host will be localhost.

22:17 <PovAddict> MTughan: if boinccmd worked, this should work

22:17 <MTughan> PovAddict: That's what I thought too, but it doesn't seem like it's connected.

22:18 <imperfec1-> MTughan: Yeah, the mgr now shows me as having setiathome as a project

22:18 <imperfec1-> ist just says I have no work

22:18 <imperfec1-> which indiciated nothing downloaded

22:18 <imperfec1-> And the logs are meptu

22:18 <MTughan> Wait: SETI shows up in Projects, but there's nothing in the Messages tab?

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22:20 <imperfec1-> MTughan: How do I connect to the core client?

22:20 <PovAddict> answer his question

22:20 <imperfec1-> using the mgr somehow?

22:20 <imperfec1-> MTughan: Correct

22:20 <PovAddict> that makes no sense, I can't think of any way that could possibly happen

22:21 <imperfec1-> and the client errors out saying 'not work'

22:21 <imperfec1-> PovAddict: Screeshot?

22:21 <PovAddict> that would help

22:21 <imperfec1-> now my projects have disappeared ;(

22:21 <imperfec1-> I had a seti icon and everything

22:23 <imperfec1-> ok

22:23 <imperfec1-> running from /var/lib/boinc

22:23 <imperfec1-> im not seeing messages from seti

22:23 <PovAddict> do you get *something* in the Messages tab at least?

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22:23 <imperfec1-> (am seeing this now - 10:23:30 PM: Error: Cannot get the official hostname (error 0: Success))

22:23 <imperfec1-> PovAddict: AND YES, ALL SORTS OF STUFF

22:24 <PovAddict> ok, please give us a screenshot the messages tab

22:25 <imperfec1-> oK

22:25 <imperfec1-> Got one of both the simple view

22:25 <imperfec1-> doing messages table now

22:26 <imperfec1-> ok

22:26 <imperfec1-> seeing the difference

22:26 <imperfec1-> im only seeing messages when running as root

22:27 <PovAddict> ugh, don't run anything as root... at least without telling us exactly when you do

22:27 <PovAddict> it's hard to debug if we don't know what you're doing

22:27 <imperfec1-> yEAH

22:27 <imperfec1-> Current status

22:28 <imperfec1-> user acount not attached to anything

22:28 <imperfec1-> root account appears to be attached to seti@home

22:28 <PovAddict> there aren't separate boinc accounts

22:28 <imperfec1-> i'll show yu these two screenshots sis

22:28 <imperfec1-> (uim talking agout the accounts on this box)

22:28 <PovAddict> you're just unable to connect to the client as normal user apparently

22:30 <imperfec1-> is there anything like gist for pictures?

22:31 <PovAddict> there are imagebins

22:31 <imperfec1-> Using boinccmd can I detach from a project, or no?

22:32 <imperfec1-> I used the mgr

22:32 <PovAddict> post the screenshots...

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22:34 <imperfec1-> Working on it

22:36 <MTughan> Just looking over server status at SETI: they have some beefy servers there.

22:37 <MTughan> One with two 6-core 3.07GHz Xeon processors and 132GB of RAM, and another two with two 6-core 2.53GHz Xeon processors and 96GB of RAM each.

22:37 <MTughan> The big machine is used for only one purpose: the science database. Big-ass DB, I guess.

22:39 <imperfec1-> okay

22:39 <imperfec1-> http://networknerd.net/1.png

22:39 <imperfec1-> http://networknerd.net/2.png

22:40 <PovAddict> do you have a project_init.xml in the boinc dir?

22:42 <imperfec1-> well i've since detached from the root account

22:43 <imperfec1-> going to try the same steps with the user account

22:43 <PovAddict> I can't help if you don't answer what I ask...

22:43 <imperfec1-> I do not have the priject_init xml, no

22:43 <imperfec1-> I'm explaining what I'm doing should it impact what you're doing to ask-- sorry.

22:43 <PovAddict> run "ls -l" in the boinc dir and pastebin it all

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22:46 <imperfec1-> ok

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22:48 <imperfec1-> http://pastebin.com/AyxN5jaU

22:48 <Romulus> Title: drwxr-xr-x. 3 boinc boinc 4096 Dec 29 22:32 . drwxr-xr-x. 39 root root 409 - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)

22:49 <PovAddict> yeah, whole problem visible there :P

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22:50 <imperfec1-> current directory owned by root:

22:50 <PovAddict> either "chmod o+r gui_rpc_auth.cfg"; or add your user account to the 'boinc' group and logout and log back in

22:50 <PovAddict> running that chmod will need root

22:50 <imperfec1-> drwxr-xr-x.  3 boinc boinc  4096 Dec 29 22:32

22:50 <imperfec1-> better?

22:50 <Romulus> It has been said that better is subjective, imperfec1-

22:50 <MTughan> forget better

22:50 <Romulus> I hear ya.

22:51 <PovAddict> ?

22:51 <PovAddict> the directory was owned by boinc, that's fine

22:53 <PovAddict> just make sure your user can read gui_rpc_auth.cfg

22:53 <imperfec1-> I added myself to the group

22:54 <imperfec1-> just added the seti project from $ not #

22:54 <imperfec1-> so lets see

22:54 <PovAddict> with boinccmd?

22:54 <MTughan> You'll probably have to start a new shell with bash for the group change to take effect. Or log out and back in.

22:55 <imperfec1-> Sat 29 Dec 2012 10:53:59 PM ESTSETI@homeMessage from server: Invalid or missing account key.  To fix, remove and add this project .

22:55 <imperfec1-> nod

22:56 <PovAddict> does 'cat gui_rpc_auth.cfg' work, as user?

22:57 <imperfec1-> I need to relog to get the group to take effect

22:57 <imperfec1-> brb

22:57 <MTughan> imperfec1-: If you want an IRC client for you Mac, I use Colloquy.

22:58 <MTughan> PovAddict: http://www.explosm.net/comics/3034/

22:58 <Romulus> Title: Cyanide & Happiness #3034 - Explosm.net (at www.explosm.net)

23:01 <imperfec1-> I ssh into a colo and just use irssi

23:01 <imperfec1-> But thanks,.

23:01 <MTughan> Fair enough.

23:01 <MTughan> You know that OS X has ssh too, right?

23:02 <imperfec1-> I do

23:02 <MTughan> K.

23:02 <imperfec1-> I've been using linux since '94

23:02 <imperfec1-> and I'm only using OSX because is has those tools

23:02 <imperfec1-> also use macports for anything else I might need

23:02 <MTughan> MacPorts is great, yeah.

23:02 <imperfec1-> Yessir

23:03 <imperfec1-> PovAddict:What was it you wanted me to tr

23:03 <MTughan> BTW, probably an easier way to take screenshots of windows than what you had before: Shift+Cmd+4, then press spacebar. Will allow you to select a window for screenshot, and only that window.

23:03 <PovAddict> does 'cat gui_rpc_auth.cfg' work, as user?

23:03 <MTughan> imperfec1-: See if you can cat gui_rpc_auth.cfg under your local user.

23:03 <imperfec1-> Hrm

23:03 <imperfec1-> Negative

23:04 <imperfec1-> I added boinc to /etc/group for my username too

23:04 <imperfec1-> and logged out and back in

23:04 <PovAddict> permission denied?

23:04 <imperfec1-> ponder.

23:04 <imperfec1-> PovAddict: Yessier

23:04 <MTughan> imperfec1-: It shows under your account if you do "id"?

23:05 <imperfec1-> just my user groups

23:05 <imperfec1-> hr

23:05 <imperfec1-> hrm

23:06 <imperfec1-> tbw:x:500:boinc

23:06 <imperfec1-> that's my line in /etc/group

23:06 <PovAddict> I think you added the boinc user to the tbw group

23:06 <PovAddict> you have to do the other way around :)

23:06 <imperfec1-> shyt

23:06 <imperfec1-> did I do that the other way around

23:06 <imperfec1-> duh

23:06 <MTughan> That would do it. :P

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23:10 <imperfec1-> finally perms fixed!

23:10 <MTughan> And you can read it?

23:10 <imperfec1-> sure can

23:11 <MTughan> I believe the next step would be to try boincmgr again.

23:11 <imperfec1-> works fine

23:11 <imperfec1-> so the centos default install is fine

23:11 <imperfec1-> I jsut need to add myself to the group and problems are solved.

23:11 <imperfec1-> I wonder if the ubntu situation is the same

23:12 <imperfec1-> It'd save me from a reinstall

23:12 <MTughan> Is SETI working now? You might have to detach and reattach using your username and password. That should make sure you have the right account key.

23:12 <imperfec1-> works perfect

23:12 <MTughan> Good.

23:13 <imperfec1-> Okay

23:13 <imperfec1-> So

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23:13 <imperfec1-> Now I try to fix the current config on the ubuntu server to not have to reinstall

23:14 <MTughan> Yeah, try adding yourself to the BOINC group. May not be called boinc again, I don't remember.

23:14 <PovAddict> the user and group are 'boinc'

23:14 <PovAddict> what differs is that the data directory may be /var/lib/boinc-client/ instead of /var/lib/boinc/

23:20 <imperfec1-> It is.

23:20 <imperfec1-> And like

23:20 <imperfec1-> The whole situation fied

23:20 <imperfec1-> all by adding myself to boinc

23:20 <imperfec1-> I was about to reinstall

23:20 <MTughan> Yep.

23:20 <MTughan> Apparently something they neglect to mention.

23:20 <imperfec1-> i installed cent in a vm to make it work so I wouldnt hate on it

23:21 <MTughan> "Cree introduces 200lm/W LED lights" Comment on the story: "These Cree guys are really bright."

23:22 <MTughan> Gotta love ./.

23:22 <MTughan> Er /.

23:25 <imperfec1-> Okay, new question.

23:25 <imperfec1-> On the other clients I saw settings telling me how many procs to use on a box

23:26 <MTughan> Should be under Advanced->Computing Preferences IIRC.

23:26 <imperfec1-> (btw MT,PoV thanks for the help very appreciated)

23:26 <MTughan> Sorry, Tools->Computing Preferences

23:29 <MTughan> Found it?

23:29 <MTughan> PovAddict: When did that change from an absolute number of processors to a percentage again?

23:30 <PovAddict> no clue

23:31 <MTughan> Come on, you should know this stuff. :P

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23:39 <imperfec1-> I may have been wrong

23:39 <imperfec1-> When i first looked at mpstat it looked as if it wasn'tusing them all

23:40 <imperfec1-> but ot actially os

23:40 <PovAddict> maybe when you first looked it hadn't yet downloaded enough workunit data

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23:42 <MTughan> And I'm down to 40 tabs in Firefox. Haven't been this low in a couple months. :D

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