IRC logs of #boinc for Monday, 2012-12-31

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01:26 <arxiv> why boinc is lgpl?

01:26 <arxiv> Romulus: Hi

01:27 <Romulus> It has been said that Hi is anyone home lol, arxiv

01:27 <arxiv> "Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing", yet not BSD licensed; lgpl'd. why?

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01:37 <arxiv> idiots

01:42 <MTughan> arxiv: What do you mean?

01:42 <arxiv> BOINC license

01:42 <MTughan> What's wrong with the LGPL?

01:42 <arxiv> most B softwares are BSD licensed mostly

01:42 <arxiv> LGPL sucks

01:43 <MTughan> Which is your personal opinion unless you can back that up with facts.

01:43 <arxiv> Why does ASF use apache license for their projects?

01:43 <MTughan> I don't know why the BOINC developers chose LGPL, but I presume they have their reasons.

01:43 <arxiv> maybe

01:43 <arxiv> It would make that commercially unadaptable

01:44 <arxiv> linking isn't everything, and LGPL allows an one-way compatibility with GPL

01:44 <arxiv> just like the communist regimes

01:45 <MTughan> Seriously? You're going to compare the GPL to communism?

01:45 <MTughan> You must be American.

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01:52 <MTughan> arxiv: How come you think BOINC should be BSD licensed instead of LGPL? Is there something that the LGPL is preventing you from doing?

01:54 <arxiv> no; but LGPL is copyleft while BSD is copyfree

01:54 <MTughan> Indeed, by design.

01:54 <arxiv> yes

01:54 <arxiv> is there something you want to prevent by using lgpl?

01:55 <arxiv> prevent commercial use?

01:55 <MTughan> I can't think of anything specific right now, but I'm not in charge of anything like that, so I can't say anything authoritative about that.

01:56 <arxiv> lgpl was intented to be a takeover to the commercial world. IIRC Stallman sometimes said that blackmailing for a dual license is good (ORACLE).

01:56 <arxiv> anyway, gpl is dying, let's see

01:57 <arxiv> Apache and BSD rock!!!!!

01:57 <MTughan> I notice the GPL's still doing quite well in terms of adoption. Well, GPLv2, that is.

01:57 <MTughan> Not so sure about v3.

01:57 <MTughan> But fuck Oracle, in whatever form they come about.

01:57 <wdsmia> asks MTughan to please watch his or her language… Thanks, your friendly channel op.

01:58 <arxiv> I mean Apache and BSD are doing better than before; GPL is indeed rising, but growth of BSD/Apache are higher because of sponsorship from others like google.

01:59 <MTughan> That's entirely possible. I don't watch the adoption rates of various licenses.

01:59 <arxiv> yes

02:00 <arxiv> but unless you want to takeover some commercial entity like microsoft or you want to support the development of only OSS, you should use BSD license because when the project dies, it would be entirely useless.

02:01 <arxiv> except for new GNU, perhaps

02:01 <MTughan> How do you figure that?

02:02 <arxiv> because it is unfriendly

02:02 <MTughan> The GPL doesn't prohibit forking of projects.

02:03 <MTughan> On the contrary: a little while ago, three people (including myself) forked BOINC in an attempt to clean up code more than BOINC was doing and go off in a different direction. It died off, but we could do it.

02:11 <PovAddict> arxiv: any license change of BOINC other than upgrading to a new GPL version would need involvement from the lawyers of the University of California, and I'm sure that would be the opposite of quick and painless

02:13 <arxiv> University of California: they became sucking. Only MIT gives rojects on MIT license these days perhaps

02:14 <PovAddict> I'm not sure what's the point of this discussion then

02:16 <PovAddict> also, a bit of history:

02:17 <PovAddict> BOINC was started under a free software license, I don't remember which but probably LGPL like now

02:18 <PovAddict> a few months later, the company where David Anderson used to work sued (or threatened to sue?) him (or the university?) claiming BOINC was based on trade secrets from the company

02:20 <arxiv> yes

02:21 <PovAddict> to get the company somewhat happy without having to take the matter to court (and halting development during the legal processes), BOINC was relicensed under a custom license that explicitly disallowed commercial use

02:21 <arxiv> gpl can't defend from trade secrets

02:21 <arxiv> yes, a notice is available

02:21 <arxiv> what is the point of using gpl here/

02:22 <PovAddict> for a period of time, I think it was a year or two

02:22 <arxiv> yes, enough history

02:22 <PovAddict> after that time, BOINC switched to (L)GPLv2

02:23 <arxiv> yes

02:23 <arxiv> bt that does mean future projects from UCB will be LGPL, right?

02:23 <arxiv> or GPL or AGPL

02:24 <MTughan> Not necessarily.

02:24 <arxiv> old BSD community is gone

02:24 <arxiv> how?

02:24 <Romulus> I guess how is it going today, arxiv

02:24 <MTughan> forget how

02:24 <Romulus> I hear ya.

02:24 <MTughan> Depending on what the project is, they'll choose whatever license the authors want to use, or a license chosen for them by the university's legal department.

02:25 <MTughan> That may or may not be a GPL-based license.

02:25 <MTughan> They could use a BSD 3-clause license, for all I know.

02:25 <arxiv> they suck. they should change people

02:26 <MTughan> Kind of a hard thing to do. People don't like losing their jobs. :P

02:26 <efc> it seems like there are a lot more griefers lately.

02:26 <MTughan> efc: About GPL or BOINC?

02:26 <efc> on IRC in general.

02:27 <MTughan> It's anonymous, and people think they're always right.

02:27 <MTughan> Well, mostly anonymous.

02:27 <arxiv> they should retire sometime

02:27 <MTughan> arxiv: Which may not be for a couple years or decades.

02:27 <arxiv> IRC is not so anonymous

02:27 <PovAddict> arxiv: if you want to know the reasons behind choosing the LGPL instead of BSD, ask in the boinc_dev mailing list, not here

02:27 <arxiv> yes, but it should happen sometime

02:28 <arxiv> ok bye, got work to du

02:28 <MTughan> Yeah, boinc_dev is the right place. No one official hangs out here, at least on a continued basis.

02:28 <arxiv> ok

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02:29 <MTughan> We have had Rom Walton drop in from time-to-time...

02:29 <MTughan> Eh.

02:29 <MTughan> &seen romw

02:29 <Romulus> MTughan: romw was last seen in #boinc 1 week, 6 days, 4 hours, 28 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: <RomW> The project management docs can be found here:

02:29 <MTughan> Oh, that's not that long ago.

02:29 <PovAddict> arxiv: but that would be just for your information and curiosity; you will not get them to switch to BSD, I bet money on it

02:29 <MTughan> PovAddict: He parted.

02:30 <PovAddict> rawr.

02:30 <MTughan> Anyway, I'm off to bed. 2:30 and I have to be up by 8:30. Big party tomorrow.

02:31 <PovAddict> welcome to the last day of the year

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02:31 <Tank_Master> oh hey, people here

02:32 <MTughan> In this case, it's more than a New Years party. My friend has his birthday today, and we host a LAN party at the same time.

02:32 <MTughan> So it's a package deal, 3-for-1.

02:32 * PovAddict pours a bucket of snow over Tank_Master

02:32 <MTughan> &wx eze

02:32 <Romulus> MTughan: Temperature: 82F / 28C | Humidity: 58% | Pressure: 29.65in / 1004hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h ; Chance of a Thunderstorm. High:84 F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:80 F.; Clear. High:89 F.; Clear. Low:73 F.; Thunderstorm. High:91 F.; Rain. Low:51 F.;

02:33 <MTughan> I'm sort of wondering where you got a bucket of snow in 28C heat.

02:33 <PovAddict> his snow of course, not mine

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02:38 <Tank_Master> i dont really know licencing well, but i do know lgpl isbetter than gpl in that lgpl allows linking of closed sorce code to the lgpl licenced code while gpl does not

02:39 <MTughan> Which can be better or worse, depending on your views and intentions.

02:39 <Tank_Master> however you cant use gpl code in lgpl, but you can use lgpl code in gpl clode...

02:39 <Tank_Master> agreed, mt

02:40 <Tank_Master> Linden Lab a few years ago switched their code from gpl to lgpl because they were technically voliating the licencing when they were linking closed sorce code

02:40 <Tank_Master> (makers of Second Life)

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09:30 <GoSox> How can i configure my client to only accept GPU work units? I don't see any appropriate options in the preferences

09:39 <GoSox> Googling the topic online, I see indirection mention of ways you can get this effect by adding a tag to an xml document, but i don't know where this document is. or of it does't exist, i don't know where to create it.

09:44 <GoSox> I also just read about how you can do it from each project's prefs page on the web. But I only want to use GPU-Only on one machine, not all of my machines

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09:53 <GoSox> ok found a page about the .xml file, added the line about zero CPUs, restarted BOINC but it's still downloading and running CPU work units

09:55 <GoSox> the complete contents of my cc_config.xml file:

09:55 <GoSox> <cc_config><options><ncpus>0</ncpus></options></cc_config>

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10:27 <linuxthefish> hi, how do i connect to a project?

10:29 <Tank_Master> GoSox - not all projects have gpu applications, and you have to go tot he project's website and log into your account to enable sending them

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11:09 <GoSox> Tank_Master: that's not really an answer to my quesiton

11:10 <GoSox> i am getting GPU units (and i didn't have to log into each project's website to get them). But I want to ONLY get GPU units. But only on one machine, so setting prefs on each projects web site is not an option. I need a way to set this preference in the client.

11:15 <desti> you can set different location profiles for each system

11:15 <GoSox> i just want my client on one machine to only accept GPU units, not CPU units

11:15 <GoSox> can't seem to make that happen though

11:17 <desti> there is also an option for it in boincmgr

11:18 <GoSox> what does that mean

11:21 <linuxthefish> how can i make Boinccmd tool only use one core?

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11:52 <linuxthefish> why would anyone waste their time on this stupid thing?

11:52 <linuxthefish> it's a waste of power

11:56 <Tank_Master> you can create a cc_cinfig.xml file to limit the # of threads boinc uses

11:57 <Zumu> linuxthefish ;(

11:59 <Tank_Master> linuxthefish - you can use that as an example

11:59 <linuxthefish> ah, thanks!

11:59 <linuxthefish> now boinccmd is saying "can't connect to local host" :S

11:59 <Tank_Master> place it in the data folder of boinc (im assuming theres a seperate data folder from the program folder in linux, as there is for windows)

12:00 <Tank_Master> are you running w/o a gui?

12:01 <linuxthefish> yes

12:01 <Tank_Master> ah ok

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12:02 <Tank_Master> from the project's website, you can also set boinc to use one cpu, however that will affect all projects on all of your hists

12:02 <Tank_Master> hosts*

12:02 <linuxthefish> ah, it's working again

12:04 <linuxthefish> sorry Zumu :(

12:05 <linuxthefish> does anyone know why i get "Authorization failure: -102" with boinccmd?

12:06 <Tank_Master> im not sure what boinccmd is for

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17:19 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

17:19 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 17.8F / -7.9C | Humidity: 74% | Pressure: 30.19in / 1022hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 3.0mph / 4.8km/h ; Monday - Overcast in the morning, then mostly cloudy. High of 19F with a windchill as low as 5F. Winds from the NNW at 10 to 15 mph.; Monday Night - Partly cloudy. Low of 1F. Winds from the North at 5 to 15 mph.; Tuesday - Partly (1 more message)

17:19 <wdsmia> &more

17:19 <Romulus> wdsmia: cloudy. High of 14F. Winds from the NW at 5 to 10 mph.;

17:33 <efc> How's life in the crevasse?

17:34 <wdsmia> cold

17:35 <efc> Even here in the south, the cold is exceeding my ability to BOINC my way to warmth.

17:35 <efc> darn power efficient i5.

17:36 <efc> I have two addition p4s that need some rehabilitating. That will warm things up.

17:37 <efc> as well as 7 underutilized 386s.

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17:48 <Tank_Master> &wx hio

17:48 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 35F / 2C | Humidity: 85% | Pressure: 30.30in / 1026hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h ; Monday - Overcast with a chance of rain. High of 39F. Winds less than 5 mph. Chance of rain 40%.; Monday Night - Mostly cloudy with a chance of snow and rain showers in the evening, then clear. Low of 27F. Winds less than 5 mph. Chance (1 more message)

17:48 <Tank_Master> &more

17:48 <Romulus> Tank_Master: of snow 20%.; Tuesday - Clear. High of 39F. Winds less than 5 mph.;

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